Comments on: APS-C VR180: Canon’s new 3.9mm Dual Fisheye lens for R7 (UPDATED SAMPLE!) https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/ 360 camera reviews, news, and tutorials Mon, 17 Jun 2024 01:01:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Mic Ty https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135736 Mon, 17 Jun 2024 01:01:44 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135736 In reply to Dean Zwikel.

4k total. Less than 2k per eye.

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By: Vlad https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135713 Sun, 16 Jun 2024 13:38:04 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135713 In reply to Vlad.

Hugh Hou already published his initial hands-on with this lens (and the image quality from it doesn’t look as good as I was hoping):

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By: Vlad https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135686 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 17:44:46 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135686 In reply to Vlad.

I read somewhere the comparison calculations for Canon VR rigs working in photo mode:
1. R7 with 32.5 MP resolution yields 21.05 pixels per degree with 144 FOV lens.
2. R5 with 45 MP resolution yields 20.45 pixels per degree with 190 FOV lens.

So the effective angular resolving power of both rigs is almost identical. The main difference is that you’ll be seeing less of the peripheral view when watching content from R7 VR rig. Maybe less looking around is a good thing after all, because the extreme peripheral views from R5 are quite distorted (they really strain your eyes) and there is almost no 3D effect there either.

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By: Vlad https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135682 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 17:27:04 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135682 In reply to Vlad.

… sorry, definitely not “per eye projected into 144 degrees FOV”. Delete “per eye” in that sentence (it’s a mistaken leftover from my earlier different attempt of describing it).

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By: Vlad https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135681 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 17:16:56 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135681 In reply to Sergio.

“So, the best I get is an SBS video in 3840×1920 30fps with 144 FOV ?”

Yes, you’ll get SBS in 3840×1920 (after equirectangular conversion, cropping and up-scaling in EOS VR Utility app) per eye projected into 144 degrees FOV, and the additional fill into full VR180 sphere with black space. That video can be either 29.97 fps (when originally recorded as 4K UHD Fine, from oversampled 7K), or 59.94 fps (when originally recorded as 4K UHD). Because the original video image content will be spread only across 144 degrees when viewed in VR headset, that video effective visual quality perception may actually look even better than any known so far 6K VR video examples (read my other comment below).

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By: Vlad https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135676 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 16:31:57 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135676 In reply to Vlad.

… on a second thought, I start suspecting that the 4K VR video output from this R7 rig may look as good (or even better) as 6K VR video from other existing VR180 cameras. The reason for this optimism is that this 3.9 mm dual fisheye lens has only 144 degrees FOV. When viewed in VR headsets, this 144 FOV footage will not be projected to full 180 degrees sphere, but to its original 144 degrees surface, with the rest of 180 degrees FOV being filled with black space. Even though R7 produces less pixels per view, those pixels will be less spread, only across 144 degrees, so the final visual resolution perception may be acceptable. Also taking into account that the optics in Canon lenses designed for mirrorless camera bodies is often much better then in lower end pocket cameras, we may expect a better looking VR results than in so far existing 6K video examples.

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By: Vlad https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135675 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 15:46:46 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135675 In reply to Dean Zwikel.

From Canon specs: the max video resolution that R7 can record is 4K UHD (Fine)
(from oversampled 7K) with 29.97 fps, or 4K UHD with 59.94 fps. This is for a regular 2D footage.

When a dual fishey lens is attached to R7, then its sensor is shared between two image circles. In that optical configuration there are lots of unused/dark pixels on camera image sensor, so you already get quite less than 2K per eye. Than this footage needs to be processed by Canon EOS VR Utility application. This does equirectangular projection, cropping the peripheries with too much optical distortion and whatever is left is then up-scaled to 2K per eye (SBS, 4K left & right views combined) output. That’s too little. 6K VR videos are barely tolerable, at least in my opinion. Even 8K video from existing R5 VR180 rig option looks quite soft.

When it comes to VR photos with this dual 3.9 mm lens, R7 sensor with 6960×4640 resolution will produce about 3200×3200 pixels per image circle, then after equirectangular conversion, cropping and up-scaling you’ll get 7K SBS image output from EOS VR Utility app..

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By: Vlad https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135674 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 15:00:46 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135674 In reply to Sergio Amateis.

Many people are also happy with a video footage from long time ago discontinued folding insta360 180/360 Evo camera. There are lots of clips from this cam on YouTube. For me those movies looks horribly mushy when viewed in Quest3. True, this kind of vacation vlog is obviously better than nothing. I personally would prefer to have a better resolution than a higher frame rate. But different people have different priorities, and I respect that.

Heck, even when it comes to VR180 photos, I can barely accept the max quality output from the existing Canon VR180 rig (R5 plus dual fishey 5.2 mm lens). Those photos look so darn soft in comparison, when they are mixed in immerGallery media viewer app with 2D panoramas made by even the most basic smartphones. Even though R5 has a 45 MP sensor, after equirectangular projection and cropping, the effective final VR180 image output resolution is most likely about 12 MP per eye. When you stretch that image across 180 degrees viewing sphere in VR headset, the image details and sharpness are no longer there.

For Canon dual fisheye lens configurations, to get better VR image quality, we need higher resolution mirrorless camera bodies, either R5 MII with 100 MP full frame sensor (for exiting 5.2 mm dual lens with 180 deg FOV), or R7 MII with at least 60 MP APS-C sensor (for this newly announced 3.9 mm dual lens with 144 deg FOV).

The big hope is that Canon will deliver a good replacement for Evo camera, and will finally release its folding 360/180 model. If it’s based on V10 h/w (but with two 1″ sensors and with at least 20 MP resolution per lens, preferably in square 1:1 shape, so the VR image circle covers most of the sensor surface with as few as possible dark pixels), then we will have a VR camera able to record a decent quality VR footage.

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By: Dean Zwikel https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135618 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 13:40:37 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135618 When used with the R7, is that 4K per eye for Video or 4K total (2k per eye)? What about the Photos?

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By: Sergio Amateis https://360rumors.com/canon-aps-c-dual-fisheye/#comment-135616 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:41:23 +0000 https://360rumors.com/?p=19595#comment-135616 In reply to Vlad.

Some time ago I downloaded two “x” videos. One was 7680×3840 80 Mbps and the other 8192×4096 90 Mbps, both at 60fps. These VR180 videos viewed in a Meta Quest 3 had great sharpness and detail even at this “low” bitrate. I don’t know which camera or post-processing they used, but I will be incredibly happy to obtain the same result for my vacation videos…..

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